I speak facts and logic. It’s helpful to not get into emotional name calling…it doesn’t do anything except make people disregard any points you might really want to make. We all want the same thing..safe healthy learning environment for our kids. Let’s talk about the facts and work on a solution.
Ok. Great. Thank you. Let’s talk about this. First of all these teachers are not licensed, educated, or equipped to be encouraging or inviting any of these kids to transition…and that is what has been going on…do you agree? A child who at this young age is looking to transition should be cared for and counseled by a doctor ( the irreversible affect of adding hormones) a mental health physician ( the emotional side of such a transition at such a young age) and with parents’ full knowledge. None of this criteria exists at BV. For children who are or have transitioned I would hope our school is a safe, healthy learning environment that is welcoming and inclusive. The problem for me ( and I think most parents) is with these two teachers seeking out through snooping on google and evesdropping on kids who have questions or are searching and inviting them into this very pro trans environment. These are young impressionable kids and for the most part they may not have any idea what they are really engaging in. It’s one thing, and a wonderful thing to create an environment of inclusion and kindness but it’s another, and dangerous as well as criminal to promote snd entice these kids into uncharted territory where there is no turning back and no parental or other mental/ medical support system. Please tell me your thoughts and where I am wrong :)
I don't think you know what transition actually means for kids. What, specifically, are the irreversible effects of the hormones you're referring to? And what hormones specifically are you referring to? Because the only hormones that trans kids can take for transitioning are puberty blockers. Puberty blockers are completely reversible, cisgender kids are prescribed puberty blockers when they get puberty too early and can come off it at any time. So what exactly are you referring to?
In March 2021, Sweden's Karolinska Hospital, one of the world's top medical teaching institutes, announced: Puberty blocking "treatments are...fraught with extensive and irreversible adverse consequences such as cardiovascular disease, osteoporosis, infertility, increased cancer risk, and thrombosis. In light of the above, [such treatments] will not be initiated in gender dysphoric patients under the age of 16."
So I would ask these questions. Do you know that they aren't licensed, educated or equipped? Have you seen their list of education certificates and qualifications? Are they inviting kids to transition? Where does it say that? Or what student has made that claim? Or are they creating an environment where kids can speak freely and ask questions?
I agree that doctors and mental health professionals along with families should be the first line of conversation. But what happens if families are unwilling to listen or provide messages of hate that make students feel badly about themselves and even more confused. The suicide attempt rates for transgender teens is close to 50%.
Have you asked your school what their inclusion and safety practices are for LGBT youth? Do they have a gender neutral restrooms where students can go if they need to use a facility? What about locker rooms and changing facilities?
I don't think it's wise to assume that the article's assertion of snooping and stalking kids is some nefarious plot. All schools were on distance learning last year...don't you think it's possible that teachers, in the normal course of their monitoring student academics, would see such searches and conversations without resorting to "spying." I would agree the use of the word "stalking" is highly unfortunate. But presentations are often made for engagement and entertainment value...so language choices are often made for a friendly audience. Taken out of context they seem worse than they were intended.
As a parent of a kids at that school, do you see evidence of enticements? What would those be? Is it possible that the kids are just looking to hang out with other kids who are like them?
Have you attended one of their meetings? Do you know what actually happens there? Have you asked them? Have you asked the teachers who run the program what happens in the room? Or are you basing ALL of your assumptions on this one article which is written with the intention to cause controversy? Do you really think it is possible for two teachers at a public school to persuade students to become transgender and then also provide them the medicines to do that?
I think you are 100% correct to care about kids having welcoming and inclusive spaces. Are you doing anything at your kids school to help with that?
Kaela - they are not licensed. I have asked the school countless times to bring in professionals. I gave them names, I gave them numbers. For perspective - this is a school with only 300 students.
Acted as in invited them to a club that they are not required to attend? If they saw a student searching up painting and invited them to an art program would that also be an aggregrious move?
Ok. These are all thoughtful and valid questions and I absolutely do not have answers to all of them. But I appreciate the opportunity to dive a little deeper and think about all of the topics you’ve brought up. Let me get back to you. But in the meantime what I will say is that as far as what have I done to promote inclusion and kindness for my kids and at my kids school is that I have always tried to role model to my kids and the many kids whose classes I have subbed in over the last 20 years…
the power of kindness and asking questions instead of name calling. Our children watch us and they absorb our attitudes and emotions…calling someone a liar doesn’t help anything but extending your knowledge and experience in a respectful way without volatile emotions getting in the way is such great role modeling for raising kind open minded humans. Thank you for the opportunity to just talk back and forth. I’m going to explore the things your questions brought up…and I will reach back out:).
No research is needed for me. You know the deal as well as me. It's been a long time coming. They were warned so many times, the principal and the superintendent and the board - they acted like they were innocent. It's not just this topic mind you. This school is in hot water for bullying, harassment, violations of special education, etc.
I assume you are local and maybe even have kids at BV. If you would like to grab a cup of coffee and continue our great discussion…I would love that. Let me know.
BV Mom - I am not local but I am a teacher in California. I hate to see what is happening to education these days. So much controversy and our kids pay the price.
But I have also experienced a share of upset parents over information that is not correct and needed to be clarified. So I am wary when news like this comes out. It's scary stuff and not always accurate or fair. My take on this is poor judgement in terms of word choice that was then taken out of context.
I think the allegations in this article seem unlikely when you look at the realities of time/location/resources in public schools. The words in the article simply don't match the realities on campus...in my experience which is limited to my school district. I am happy to keep chatting here though.
I think open two way dialogue is the only way we serve our communities best.
My kids attended this school. All the "allegations" as you call them are true. Also, the author was taking it from an audio tape where it was readily admitted by these teachers. Plus, there are way worse things that occurred at this school - unlimited bullying, nor following Special Education. Hate to burst your bubble but its true. I witnessed the assemblies, the rants, the discrimination. All documented I am afraid.
LOL. Soundsl ike your kids are subjected to your main focus - idiocracy and poor parenting.
I speak facts and logic. It’s helpful to not get into emotional name calling…it doesn’t do anything except make people disregard any points you might really want to make. We all want the same thing..safe healthy learning environment for our kids. Let’s talk about the facts and work on a solution.
That’s hard to swallow when the district and principal were told about this for years.
So what facts and logic are you speaking? How would you create a safe healthy learning environment for LGBT kids?
Ok. Great. Thank you. Let’s talk about this. First of all these teachers are not licensed, educated, or equipped to be encouraging or inviting any of these kids to transition…and that is what has been going on…do you agree? A child who at this young age is looking to transition should be cared for and counseled by a doctor ( the irreversible affect of adding hormones) a mental health physician ( the emotional side of such a transition at such a young age) and with parents’ full knowledge. None of this criteria exists at BV. For children who are or have transitioned I would hope our school is a safe, healthy learning environment that is welcoming and inclusive. The problem for me ( and I think most parents) is with these two teachers seeking out through snooping on google and evesdropping on kids who have questions or are searching and inviting them into this very pro trans environment. These are young impressionable kids and for the most part they may not have any idea what they are really engaging in. It’s one thing, and a wonderful thing to create an environment of inclusion and kindness but it’s another, and dangerous as well as criminal to promote snd entice these kids into uncharted territory where there is no turning back and no parental or other mental/ medical support system. Please tell me your thoughts and where I am wrong :)
The district knew and so did the principal.
I don't think you know what transition actually means for kids. What, specifically, are the irreversible effects of the hormones you're referring to? And what hormones specifically are you referring to? Because the only hormones that trans kids can take for transitioning are puberty blockers. Puberty blockers are completely reversible, cisgender kids are prescribed puberty blockers when they get puberty too early and can come off it at any time. So what exactly are you referring to?
In March 2021, Sweden's Karolinska Hospital, one of the world's top medical teaching institutes, announced: Puberty blocking "treatments are...fraught with extensive and irreversible adverse consequences such as cardiovascular disease, osteoporosis, infertility, increased cancer risk, and thrombosis. In light of the above, [such treatments] will not be initiated in gender dysphoric patients under the age of 16."
So I would ask these questions. Do you know that they aren't licensed, educated or equipped? Have you seen their list of education certificates and qualifications? Are they inviting kids to transition? Where does it say that? Or what student has made that claim? Or are they creating an environment where kids can speak freely and ask questions?
I agree that doctors and mental health professionals along with families should be the first line of conversation. But what happens if families are unwilling to listen or provide messages of hate that make students feel badly about themselves and even more confused. The suicide attempt rates for transgender teens is close to 50%.
Have you asked your school what their inclusion and safety practices are for LGBT youth? Do they have a gender neutral restrooms where students can go if they need to use a facility? What about locker rooms and changing facilities?
I don't think it's wise to assume that the article's assertion of snooping and stalking kids is some nefarious plot. All schools were on distance learning last year...don't you think it's possible that teachers, in the normal course of their monitoring student academics, would see such searches and conversations without resorting to "spying." I would agree the use of the word "stalking" is highly unfortunate. But presentations are often made for engagement and entertainment value...so language choices are often made for a friendly audience. Taken out of context they seem worse than they were intended.
As a parent of a kids at that school, do you see evidence of enticements? What would those be? Is it possible that the kids are just looking to hang out with other kids who are like them?
Have you attended one of their meetings? Do you know what actually happens there? Have you asked them? Have you asked the teachers who run the program what happens in the room? Or are you basing ALL of your assumptions on this one article which is written with the intention to cause controversy? Do you really think it is possible for two teachers at a public school to persuade students to become transgender and then also provide them the medicines to do that?
I think you are 100% correct to care about kids having welcoming and inclusive spaces. Are you doing anything at your kids school to help with that?
Kaela - they are not licensed. I have asked the school countless times to bring in professionals. I gave them names, I gave them numbers. For perspective - this is a school with only 300 students.
It was a plot. They said so.
Kaela - are you kidding? Its not that they saw the searches, its that they acted on them. Thats criminal and federally protected privacy.
Acted as in invited them to a club that they are not required to attend? If they saw a student searching up painting and invited them to an art program would that also be an aggregrious move?
You are not allowed to track a minors internet activity under COPPA. It’s a federal crime.
Noticing an online event and tracking are two different ideas.
Absolutely not. I taught privacy and IP law. Not true. They cannot track and act on searches outside of school. Period.
LOL SUUUURE you were a law professor
Ok. These are all thoughtful and valid questions and I absolutely do not have answers to all of them. But I appreciate the opportunity to dive a little deeper and think about all of the topics you’ve brought up. Let me get back to you. But in the meantime what I will say is that as far as what have I done to promote inclusion and kindness for my kids and at my kids school is that I have always tried to role model to my kids and the many kids whose classes I have subbed in over the last 20 years…
the power of kindness and asking questions instead of name calling. Our children watch us and they absorb our attitudes and emotions…calling someone a liar doesn’t help anything but extending your knowledge and experience in a respectful way without volatile emotions getting in the way is such great role modeling for raising kind open minded humans. Thank you for the opportunity to just talk back and forth. I’m going to explore the things your questions brought up…and I will reach back out:).
No research is needed for me. You know the deal as well as me. It's been a long time coming. They were warned so many times, the principal and the superintendent and the board - they acted like they were innocent. It's not just this topic mind you. This school is in hot water for bullying, harassment, violations of special education, etc.
I appreciate your thoughtful response. Thank you.
I assume you are local and maybe even have kids at BV. If you would like to grab a cup of coffee and continue our great discussion…I would love that. Let me know.
BV Mom - I am not local but I am a teacher in California. I hate to see what is happening to education these days. So much controversy and our kids pay the price.
But I have also experienced a share of upset parents over information that is not correct and needed to be clarified. So I am wary when news like this comes out. It's scary stuff and not always accurate or fair. My take on this is poor judgement in terms of word choice that was then taken out of context.
I think the allegations in this article seem unlikely when you look at the realities of time/location/resources in public schools. The words in the article simply don't match the realities on campus...in my experience which is limited to my school district. I am happy to keep chatting here though.
I think open two way dialogue is the only way we serve our communities best.
My kids attended this school. All the "allegations" as you call them are true. Also, the author was taking it from an audio tape where it was readily admitted by these teachers. Plus, there are way worse things that occurred at this school - unlimited bullying, nor following Special Education. Hate to burst your bubble but its true. I witnessed the assemblies, the rants, the discrimination. All documented I am afraid.
Yup. No the school knew.
Wrong. More coming as to the harassment endured by these two teachers.